So, anyone read The Filth yet? It's out in graphic novel form finally :)
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Re: The Filth
Wed, June 23, 2004 - 8:34 AMSo, first I want to say 'Hello'.
(I'm absolutely new on tribe.net)
To answer your question:
I've already read it in singles form (missed only issue #6).
Far more interesting to me (anyway) is the question if anyone here has experienced some magical ripple effects from reading The Filth.
I did.
Although watching Twin Peaks for the first time when the early issues of The Filth appeared, which I somehow believe to be a Hyersigil as well, may have had a big influence on my life as well.
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Wed, June 23, 2004 - 12:04 PMI've read it 3 times so far, and think I *almost* understand it, which isn't to say that I don't like. Really enjoyed it, but it really was work, made much worse by the fact that I was in an altered state the first time I read it. The metaphors in there are so thick and textured that every page becomes this huge collection to sort through, bost visual, verbal, and in terms of pattern recognition. Just genius.
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Thu, June 24, 2004 - 9:19 AMI actually don`t know how often I've read it. I pull some issues out now and then and read them out of order.
But I plan to purchase the trade.
And then, finally I can read issue six.
I love how Morrison carries over from one scene to the next.
(Just went to my bedrom to grab some issues.)
For example in issue 3 from page 14 to 15.
On the last panel of 14 we see Dimitri 9 entering Greg's home.
On the panel before we see the look on the face of a neighbor woman. She obviously believes the hooded figure of Dimitri 9 to be a child thats gonna be molested any minute now by that "Dirty old podiophile" (#3 pp12 panel1).
This is followed on page 15 by Secret Original listening to the radio (or somesuch, I think):
"This one couldn't be more than ten years old..."
What I love the most about it, is, how subtle and effective that all comes across.
(Sadly, I have to admit, that I haven't read much of The Invisibles yet. Only the Jim Crow issue of Vol.1, the Bloody Hell in America trade, Vol.2 #12, #14 & #22 as well as #12-10 and #6&5 of Vol.3.)
Furthermore I have a question regarding the process of the hypersigil, I hope you or anyone else on this tribe can answer:
Do you know of an interview with Morrison, where he layed out the 'rules' of how to do it?
Or did he maybe write about it in the letter pages?
I understand the basic idea behind the hypersigil, but am wondering about some tricks and and possibilities for 'coding'.
The reason I ask is that I'm planning to write a hypersigil myself (although I have to admit, that I couldn't get my ass up yet and actually try out magic).
I hope Morrison is finishing his Pop Magic book soon, as he said it will contain information on how to write a hypersigil.
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Thu, June 24, 2004 - 9:48 AMA hypersigil is just another form of a sigil, a common practice in chaos magick, of which Morrison is a practicioner.
For a good explanation of how to create sigils, with examples, pick up a book called "Liber Null and Psychonaut" by Peter J. Carrol". All that Morrison is doing is taking the sigil that he has created and using the story as a medium for the sigil. Pretty straight forward. The hard part is the emotional coding of it for the delivery, but an experienced magician knows how to do that, and Morrisson is very good at it. (for example, The Invisibles was a sigil to create Invisibiles, and it succeeded admirably). -
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Thu, June 24, 2004 - 12:15 PMI knew about that before, but thank you for your reply nontheless.
Do you know where to find an online edition / PDF of Liber Nul and Psychonaut? -
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Thu, June 24, 2004 - 12:35 PMNot off the top of my head, but if you hit any of the major chaos magick sites they should have more info... -
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Fri, June 25, 2004 - 7:08 AMI ran a Google search yesterday; all I could find was the spanish version.
Care to give me the URLs of the sites you're thinkink of? -
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Fri, June 25, 2004 - 9:39 AMAt work, so don't have my home links...
You might wanna check the Chaos Magick tribe..
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Fri, June 25, 2004 - 8:27 PMLiber Null/Psychonaut is well worth the $14 - go out and buy it. -
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Fri, October 8, 2004 - 9:42 AMWord!
I wholly agree with every syllable, punctuation mark, intended and unintended intention of this whole entire page.
By the way...
www.kaaos.org/chaos/
has several .pdfs you might want to sample before committing to a $14 purchase.
Try Oven-Ready Chaos for example. It's Dee-lish-us! & Dee-lite-full!
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Tue, December 14, 2004 - 3:20 PMThe basic approach to sigils was developed by Austin Osman Spare. If you wish to delve more deeply into this magical approach I recommend picking up a copy of Stephen Mace's "Stealing the Fire from Heaven" which is a lot more detailed than "Liber Null & Psychonaut". -
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Tue, December 14, 2004 - 3:22 PM
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Fri, October 8, 2004 - 9:55 AMI've read all the way through the Filth once and want to read it again soon.
My take on it is that this is a way for Grant M. to express the idea of intelligent-healer-cells/entities found within our selves.
To put it another way, The Hand are T-Cells, the antibodies, the healercells.
The Main Character of the Filfth (whatever hir name might be) has become aware that hir T-Cells are aware. Everything else flows from this. The loss of ego, the schizophrenia, the weird anthropomorphized depiction of the T-Cells, etc.
It's a way to visualize our human capacity for self-healing. We have the amazing capacity to become aware of our autonomic nervous system (the unconscious breathing, heartbeating, glandulareptillian side of us) and from there, begin to direct the "involuntary" functions of our mindbodies to become "voluntary" and conform to our will. It's one of the benefits of being a sentient lifeform!
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Fri, October 8, 2004 - 10:47 PMmy pineal gland is running on empty - got a refill of DMT? -
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Sat, October 9, 2004 - 12:26 PMI wish I did! I've never actually tried it... Well, apparently the pineal gland produces DMT naturally. (or something damn near DMT, I can't remember) So, I guess I've been "trying" DMT ever since my CNS fully developed.
Un/Fortunately, I'm defined as a Father/Husband by my wife and kid, so most if not all trips of this kind have been cancelled until further notice. Luckily I had my twenties during the nineties and was able to spend enough time ingesting questionable substances to be considered clinically insane, which, if you think about it in a certain way, is "good." Why be "sane" in an insane world?
One last word of advice: Never take the brown acid. Y'know, that stuff your sketchy friend found in the back of her dresser -- she can't remember how old it is, or why it might have turned an odd shade of brown...
Then again, I did lose all sense of ego. Good stuff for an aspiring shaman... Who am I? Why am I rocking back and forth in a blanket on these stairs behind this house? Where'd this blanket come from? Whose house is this, anyway? Are our identities defined mostly by the people around us, ie: our own perceptions of their perceptions of us? Do I have a name, or should I wait for someone else to come and attach some random syllables to my identity? It was freakin weird, man.
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Sun, October 31, 2004 - 1:13 PMstarted The Filth yesterday, i'm not far along yet, so i reckon i'll have more to say later...though for now i'll comment that Chris Weston's illustrations are GORGEOUS. -
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Wed, November 24, 2004 - 12:54 PMi like how Part 3 opens with a bit about a comic book within the comic book! -
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Sat, December 11, 2004 - 3:12 PMthe Gilbert & George reference in part 9 gave me a chuckle. -
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Sun, December 12, 2004 - 1:14 PMfinished The Filth yesterday. no comments just yet from me...feel like i need to sort out the info overload. the way it ends is surprising as hell though! -
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Sun, December 12, 2004 - 3:12 PMI saw this thread and decided to reread it today
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Sun, December 19, 2004 - 9:22 AMHey Holden, you know, the way Morrison ended The Filth made me somehow quite angry a him the first time I read #13; especialy as I atribute the nervous breakdown I had at this time mostly to The Filth.
Somehow this conclusion was a disapointment at first, and I still think it feels somehow to Hegelian.
And as he lets pretty much open in the end I'm hoping he'll elaborate further on some of the themes in a later book.
I'm thinking here about the bacterias that outnumbe us 10/1, and how we, in Morrison's view, will identify ouself with the bacterias instead of our body/the carrier of the bacterias, as he stated in an interview some time ago.
It would interest me, what he believes to exactly happen to individual conciusness after the death of the carrier/body.
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Fri, January 7, 2005 - 10:25 AMSelf-Consciousness seems to me to be an epiphenomenon of the more common ("animal-level") Consciousness. It is an uncommon secondary effect of regular awareness.
In other words, dogs are aware of their environment and others in it, but as far as we know, they aren't too worried about the so-called "afterlife" They don't think about thinking, they just think. They don't bark about barking, they just bark.
Humans, on the other opposable-thumbed hand, have evolved a massive frontal lobe capable of complex symbolic language and an excrutiating awareness of time. How, Why, and When this occurred, I don't know... I wasn't there when it happened.
So, anyway... Here's my answer: Since Self-Consciousness is an emergent property of Consciousness, shouldn't the awareness of Self dissappear when awareness dissappears? Each individual is like a rain drop -- complete and whole unto itself --- until the drop hits the ocean and dissolves into the great Oneness of Being.
To quote Mr. Morrison (from an interview with The Pulse):
So based on my own experience, I've come to the conclusion that the individual human body is no more, no less than one of the billions of skin cells we lose every day. Each of those cells was once bursting with youth and health before it lived its allotted span, shriveled and then fell as dust. Now, if a skin cell became conscious and forgot that it was only a temporary and recyclable part of a much larger living body, it too would no doubt feel the same existential trauma experienced by all living, sentient creatures. It would fear its own demise as we do, because it would have forgotten its purpose and function within a larger context and become trapped in the illusory yet painful cage of individuality.
Like skin cells or perhaps more like immune cells, we as individuals are all part of one immense intelligent living creature which has its roots in the Cryptozoic era and its living tendrils - including us - probing forward through the untasted jelly of the 21st Century. The body of this vast and intelligent lifeform - the biota as it's known - is still in its infancy and still at the stage in its life cycle where it must consume the planet's resources like a caterpillar on a leaf. What looks like environmental destruction to us is, I believe, the natural acceleration of an impending metamorphosis; just as a caterpillar gorges itself to power its transformation into a butterfly, so too does the biota consume everything in its path, in preparation for its own imminent transformation into adult form.
Quite soon now, possibly within ten years even, the infant creature in the body of which we are all merge cells will awaken to its true nature, the concept of individuality will vanish overnight, as the imaginary walls separating our minds collapse, we will realise there is only one mind, and our mega-maggot will metamorphose, leaving the planetary cradle and the four dimensions of spacetime to be born at last as a fully-formed adult creature designed for existence in a higher dimension fluid continuum or informational supermembrane. As immune cells inside this gigantic, living, tree-like body that's currently huffing and puffing its way towards maturity, it's our job to do everything we can to keep the larva healthy and developing normally. That's if we want to be born as adults into hyperspacetimelessness and quite frankly, I fancy the idea.
That's my religion and it didn't come from a book and it's not based on my blind faith but on my own direct experience of and conversation with my "God." "Grant" is an immune cell in the body of "God" - the biota - does its thinking and its sensing through tiny, self-replicating cell-creatures like me and you and all the other examples of life on earth. All life is the same life. All thoughts are the same thought. No one dies at all, except in the way that a baby has to "die" for a child to be born and the child has to "die" for the adult to be born. That's all death is at every stage - scary transformation. And, although individual "bodies" seem to wither, fall away, and be lost, consciousness remains as a function of the biota.
YOU CAN FOLLOW ME IF YOU LIKE. I'VE GOT MY OWN CULT AND EVERYTHING.
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Re: The Filth
Wed, July 5, 2006 - 5:06 PMYESH!
It was my first Morrison, actually. I "got" it the first time I read it (doesn't make me special... I am a postmodernist and if you can read Kathy Acker, well, narratives become things you store... um... lemme spare you all some lit. crit. speak...), but the second time I read it, it read completely different. To me, that is the sign of a great book -- time depends so much. Maybe I will read it a third time. I dunno. What I do know is that I absolutely love it and it made me Morrison's Bitch. (tm)
